C9被eStar3比0吊打？且看国外玩家分析

　　昨天的黄金风暴联赛上，C9被eStar3:0带入败者组，国外论坛Reddit沸腾了，为何嘉年华世界第一竟被3:0零封？且看国外玩家如何说：

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　　老美的洗地姿势有点花式而且认真

　　机翻，一切以原帖和英文原文为准~老实说最近感觉reddit的赛事讨论太认真没有了之前的灵性一定不是翻译不认真的锅

　　Wow, 3-0. I knew it was going to be hard for C9 but they got really outplayed. They had strong early game but they did nothing with their lead and some poor decision making lost them the games.

　　哇哦，3比0。我知道C9可能会苦战但是没想到他们看上去是被吊起来打了。他们明明在前期有着很大优势，但是什么都没有做然后在后期犯了个蠢就输掉了比赛。

　　cant help but think those visa issues cost estar a lot of money and acclaiim

　　我想签证让estar损失了很大一笔奖金以及名声

　　Maybe, but you also have to remember that this new patch is very different from the Blizzcon patch. eStar has a very good grasp on all the new patch, where C9 seems to be a bit behind. Either way eStar looked great other then some shaky early games and C9 just needs to figure out their late game shot calling and capitalizing on their leads and they will be golden for the rest of the tournament.

　　嘉年华和现在的版本完全不同，而estar对其有着更好的理解。我认为C9需要增强一下他们后期的指挥。

　　I fail to see how it has to do with scaling when we were ahead all game and fail to capitalize on monstrous leads

　　There's a lot of stuff going on. We'll figure it out when we're home.

　　KingKaffeine：我完全不认为补丁数值变化和我们领先全场被一拳打翻有什么联系。

　　在这里发生了很多事情，我们回国之后回和大家聊的。

　　༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ C9 TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

　　C9接受我们的元气

　　Probably thinking of when they used to be way ahead vs Tempo and lose in the late game consistently.

　　这比赛让我想起了之前C9也是各种前期领先然后后期被TS一拳打翻的场景

　　There were many questionable shotcalls, but the worst one was probably the one in the second game, when they tried to push as five with the terror, while eStar's terror was allowed to march through.

　　发生了许多值得商榷的指挥决策。最糟糕的一个就是第二局他们五人抱团推进，让eStar的恐魔单刷了基地。

　　I think this decision was what they just learnt in this tournament. They thought they can push mid with terror, kill 1-2 people and end the game while eStar only had 4 people def. It was a good attempt but they just failed.

　　我认为这个选择正是他们从比赛中学习到的。他们认为他们在estar没有恐魔的情况下可以抱团推中，杀掉一两个人后直接一波。可惜他们学歪了，失败了。

　　Estar played really well. They have great teamwork, prob the best. C9 beats them in individual mechanics, but Estar is another level when it comes to teamfighting. Things like peel and combos. Not saying they are unbeatable. They suffer from all the same things that other teams do like predictable drafts and imperfect rotations. I think they must heavily put emphasis in their training on teamfighting. Maybe C9 would benefit from doing the same.

　　eStar的团队能力可以说是最强。C9可以说从个人技术层面完全击败了eStar，但是一打起团战，eStar就发挥出了超常实力，我觉得eStar可能存在着一些bp变化不多，队伍发挥不稳定的问题，但是他们在团战上作出的训练和努力是值得C9学习的

　　Interesting series.

　　Still the usual weakness of C9 though, their lategame is weak. Early on they almost always get ahead but later on they have poor decision making, not capitalizing on their lead basically, and the weak lategame compositions they prefer get them in trouble.

　　Game 1 I didn't understand they took zeratul, so weak at the moment and the pick did little for them. Even so they got ahead quite a bit again but threw away their lead by playing too passive allowing boss trades twice. Eventually estar just forced a teamfight late and won comfortably. In terms of draft I think the early valla pick was bad, they should have taken sonya there imo since valla is easily replaced anyway. Now they took late zeratul which was lackluster, in that position Thrall given they had Uther anyway, seemed much better.

　　Game 2 their draft was fairly good. Didn't like taking zagara into a tyrande-etc comp but i think they got the better of it. Game went quite well and then they lose their lead to a good moshpit, happens but after it they get ahead slightly. Then they just completely derp and with double terrors decide to push as 5 while estar defends as 4 and has a lone terror going. They probably realized pretty quickly that was awful but got stuck in keeping with it and they tried to force the issue and just straight up lost.

　　Third game I found the zeratul pick really curious again. Sonya seemed so much better there but I guess they didn't want to repeat the previous comp. Zeratul once again did nothing though and they just got destroyed kinda that game. Sonya would have been great for merc/coin control on that map as the only competitive hero right now that comfortably solo mercs early. Plus it's another out to moshpit.

　　Overall good games. Zeratul pick nowadays just seems lackluster. I don't really understand the ban on tassadar all the time either. Also why was C9 constantly second in draft? I suppose you can choose this if you lose but it seems being first in draft is an advantage now. The fact you get 3 picks before second ban phase seems so good,

　　鬼佬严肃分析中，大意是C9后期还是他们的致命弱点，同时对于C9的两次泽拉图选择抱有疑问。

　　Kaffeine似乎在后面抱怨了一下负者后pick的规则？

　　In fact, C9 didn't want to vary their strategy. They said "we don't have any particular strategy. We will just play regularly and crush them" in the interview. "CRUSH" :)

　　其实C9只是没有动脑子去想。他们在之前的采访中这么说“我们根本不需要一些针对性的策略，我们只要正常的比赛然后碾碎他们”。恩就像加尔鲁什那样的“粉碎”。 :)

　　Zera is actually really good against Tyrande solo healer (Glaurung words, not mine), and I really think that the comps were not the issue (that's why they kept drafting it). They just made so many bad decisions.

　　对于质疑泽拉图pick的回应：泽拉图对泰兰德单辅助体系有着很好的克制（glaurung语）。同时我觉得他们输比赛并不是阵容的锅（这也是为什么他们没有改阵容）他们只是犯下了太多的错误和糟糕选择。